R.I.P. President Gerald Ford

I was confined to a hospital bed recovering from a near fatal auto accident when Richard Nixon resigned. My first question was Jerry who??? I was furious that we were presented with a new president that NO ONE elected. I was angry at Gerald Ford for a decade because he pardoned Nixon. I wanted to see a perp walk after being cheated out of impeachment!

Well, the Bill Clinton fiasco cured me of that.

And 30 years, hopefully, makes one wiser.

History seems to show that we got a better president in Gerald Ford who was picked by a failed president Nixon, than we've had in 50 years of electing one ourselves.

That should tell us something.

Maybe we should have let Bill Clinton pick his successor. :<)

Quotes of the Day - Best of the Web!

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win."
- Mahatma Gandhi

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George Bush can go to hell. All the Bushbots who think he is the greatest conservative of all time need to wake up and smell the coffee. Bush and his RINO friends in Congress are conspiring to underenforce the borders in order to increase the illegal alien population. He does not give two craps if his own party becomes a permanent minority. He probably thinks God told him to open the borders.

45 posted on 12/25/2006 by Holden Magroin (Bush is a traitor to conservatism.)

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As I've said on other threads, these folks who blindly and dutifully pull the "R" lever are viewed by the party as guarantees. Why would the party give a crap what you say if you are going to pull R anyway? They aren't going to romance those who give it up for free. That is exactly how we got where we are now.

The real irony is they blame others for their own ignorance. Voting for liberals because they have an R by their name got into the crap we are in now.

Politicians work for us, not the other way around. These people know that if the Republicans who lost their seats had made their constituents happy, they would still be in office.

"Party First" is the kind of politics that would make the old Soviets proud.

102 posted on 12/22/2006 by L98Fiero

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"Although as to other foreigners it is thought better to discourage their settling together in large masses, wherein, as in our German settlements, they preserve for a long time their own languages, habits, and principles of government, and that they should distribute themselves sparsely among the natives for quicker amalgamation, yet English emigrants are without this inconvenience. They differ from us little but in their principles of government, and most of those (merchants excepted) who come here, are sufficiently disposed to adopt ours."
--Thomas Jefferson to George Flower, 1817. ME 15:140
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There is not an acre of ground on the globe that is in possession of its rightful owner, or that has not been taken away from owner after owner, cycle after cycle, by force and bloodshed. - Mark Twain
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There are only 2 races. Decent and Indecent. unk.

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CLASSIC ARTICE you missed!

Grover Norquist: 'Field Marshal' of the Bush Plan

"I started out as a right-winger, and when I retire I want to be a squishy middle-of-the-roader," he jokes, chortling at the thought. Grover Norquist

To a significant degree, George W. Bush owes his election to Norquist, whose early support was crucial in lining up the right behind the Texas governor's campaign. And if Bush, born in the Ivy League haunts of the Eastern Establishment but raised in the conservative oilfields of West Texas, has managed to forge a governing coalition that includes both Big Business and the far right, Norquist's skillful ability to hold that coalition together is a big reason why.

In November 1998, immediately after Bush was re-elected as Texas governor and began eyeing the White House, Norquist traveled to Austin to meet Bush and Karl Rove, Bush's political guru, whom Norquist has known for two decades. Norquist came away convinced that Bush, if not an authentic conservative, was at least the right's best hope. On five issues, he says--tax cuts, school choice, tort reform, pension reform and paycheck protection--Bush said the right things, and that was enough for Norquist. At the time, for most conservatives Bush was an unknown quantity, and his closeness to his father (whom Norquist excoriated in his book for faithlessness and errors of political judgment) made the right queasy. Others in the race, like Steve Forbes, Alan Keyes and Gary Bauer, all had appeal to the far right--but Norquist, upon returning to Washington, started spreading the word that the right ought to line up behind Bush.

According to several sources, Norquist's support was decisive in swinging the bulk of the conservative movement into Bush's camp by early 1999. "It's not disputable," says Fund of the Wall Street Journal. Then, when Bush ran into trouble battling Senator John McCain of Arizona, Norquist mobilized the right against McCain in the early primaries, especially in South Carolina--and, in the process, cemented his ties to Bush and Rove.

When pressed, Norquist admits that he has no idea whether Bush is truly committed or just playing politics--and that, in the end, it doesn't matter. "Is Bush, or Rove for that matter, a true believer?" he asks. "I don't know. I do believe he understands the center-right coalition." For now, at least, Norquist believes that Bush is wedded to the idea that it would be fatal, as his father learned, to alienate the hard-core conservative base. Like the Communists of the late 1930s, who slavishly praised Franklin Roosevelt even though they knew he was a card-carrying member of the New York financial elite, Norquist seems to acknowledge with a wink that Bush is a vehicle to advance the conservative cause one more degree.

"It's like this," he says. "Some of us in the movement want to get to St. Louis, and some of us to Utah, and some to Los Angeles, and some of us want to go all the way to Japan. Bush wants to get to St. Louis. Is there any reason to argue with him about the need to get to LA? Or to get really flaky and say we need to go all the way to Japan? Of course not."


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010514/dreyfuss

Poor suffer from illegal immigration

(Photos: Illegal alien camps near San Diego - YES the 3rd world within the USA!)

Poor suffer from illegal immigration

Froma Harrop 12/23/06

There's a popular game in America that goes, I'll cut your wages, but you don't cut mine. And the outsourcing of your factory job to China is a good thing, because it makes my paycheck go further at Wal-Mart. We hear this theme a lot in the debate over illegal immigration.

Consider the recent raids on Swift meat-processing plants. Federal agents arrested 1,187 illegal immigrants at facilities in six states. Mere hours later, economists warned that depriving the industry of illegal labor could raise hamburger prices.

Illegal immigration is usually presented as a win-win situation: Undocumented foreigners earn far more than they could back home. Consumers get a bargain.

Nowhere to be seen are America's working poor who get stomped on 13 different ways. They have to compete with illegal immigrants for jobs and housing. Low-skilled natives and legal immigrants also end up subsidizing the undocumented because they tend to live in the same communities, which must provide hospitals, police, schools and garbage pickup.

Who doesn't suffer from illegal immigration? For starters, the people who write about it. I speak of the journalism profession, which has the habit of covering the issue by anecdotes. Reporters thrive on sympathetic stories about illegal immigrants who work hard and go to church.

But, were a busload of illegals from Australia to turn up at their newspaper and offer reportage at 10 percent below the going rate, the writers would call the authorities so fast that your head would spin. And the publisher's argument that thanks to the cheap Australians, he's able to trim a few cents off the newsstand price would make no impression.

As it turns out, the meat-processing companies that employ so many illegal immigrants have been enjoying a nearly 50-percent discount on what was the going rate. In 1980, the average meat-processing job paid $19 an hour. The companies then moved their plants to rural areas, far from the Midwest cities and their unions. The industry's wages now average about $9 an hour.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce likes to wail about the "labor shortage." It says there aren't enough chambermaids, dishwashers, etc. to work for its members at lousy wages. Odd, but when there's a shortage of labor -- or anything else -- doesn't the price of it go up? The price of unskilled labor in the United States hasn't gone up. It's gone down. Because of immigration, American-born high-school dropouts experienced a 5-percent loss in wages during the '80s and '90s, according to a study by Harvard economist George Borjas.

For some reason, the job of keeping prices low has fallen entirely on the shoulders of the most vulnerable Americans. If we banged down CEO compensation and sliced lawyers' pay by a third, the same thing would happen. Everyone's prices would drop. The corporation could sell its products for less, and the cost of legal services would fall.

No vocation keeps a tighter lid on immigration than the medical profession. "If we let in 100,000 immigrant doctors," Richard Freeman, another Harvard economist, recently told a group of journalists, "everyone in this room would benefit." Except the American doctors.

Suggest a U.S. labor policy that depresses professional pay as a means of keeping prices in check, and you get laughed out of the room. But say that sitting on the wages of unskilled factory workers stems inflationary pressure -- a frequently made argument -- and the PhDs quietly nod in agreement.

And that's how the game is played. High pay for me. Low pay for you. The folks at the economic bottom are obviously not making the rules.

Froma Harrop writes for the Providence Journal. Her column is distributed by Creators Syndicate, 5777 W. Century, Suite 700, Los Angeles, CA 90045. Reach her at fharrop@projo.com.

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Just Because...You Can't make up this stuff !

Bless these great organizations!

The Minuteman Project, Wake Up America USA, Americans4America MMP, CCIR, Crispus Attucks Minutemen, Fire Coalition, Minutemen of Las Vegas, SOS, You Don't Speak For Me, Latinos for Immigration Reform and fellow patriots protested the incoming Majority Leader Harry Reid in Las Vegas on December 18, 2006

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Poll

http://newsbusters.org/node/331 scroll down on right

Which Do You Prefer?

Merry Christmas

87%

Happy Holidays

3%

Happy Hanukkah

1%

Doesn't Matter

9%

Total votes: 2337
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Just for fun. What if Karl Rove had removed classified documents?
Local | December 21, 2006 | From The Deer Stand

Posted on 12/21/2006 12:41:00 PM PST by From The Deer Stand

Now that Sandy Berger has been almost given a pass for his "activities" ... what if Karl Rove (or some other Bush Administration official) would have done what Sandy did? How would the mainstream media react? How would Hillary react? How would Reid and Pelosi react? How would Kennedy react? How would Dean react?

TownCrier: We have a challenge for you regarding the above. We have researched and found little that this Bush Administration said one way or the other about Sandy Bergler. Isn't it the responsibility of this administration to prosecute and see justice done? Have they ever tried to bring attention to Berger's crime? And why not?

White House presser: Q What is the President's opinion of a request by Republican leaders in the House to launch an investigation of Sandy Berger's involvement in the removal of classified documents from the National Archives?

MR. SNOW: There were questions last week. I believe Paula asked them about investigations involved Republican members. Members of Congress have their own oversight obligations. They may proceed as they wish. They are a separate and co-equal branch of government, and I'm not going to tell them what they can and can't do.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/10/20061016-1.html

Quite a position they took there, eh??
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GOOD article with great links.

Tech Industry Lies About H-1B Visas
by Phyllis Schlafly 12/21/06

The technology industry has dispatched its wallet-filled lobbyists to demand that the new Congress vastly increase the number of foreign computer software techies and engineers who can be imported on H-1B visas. This demand is based on the claim that we suffer a labor shortage in those fields, but that's a bare-faced lie to erect a smokescreen around the real reasons.

Three reasons motivate the tech giants to use their political clout and PAC contributions to increase H-1Bs. (a) Cost-cutting: H-1Bers are paid much less than Americans. (b) The influx of H-1Bers depresses the "prevailing wage" for all computer techies and engineers.

(c) The hiring of H-1Bers prevents potential competition from Americans who might resign to work for other firms or start companies of their own. H-1B visas are not for entrepreneurs or executives, but are for employees who are tied to the company that imports them (much like indentured servants) and are supposed to depart from the United States after a few years.

A technology industry coalition called Compete America gathered at Stanford University in November for a TechNet Innovation Summit, but the goal wasn't innovation. This Coalition, backed by Microsoft, Intel and other computer giants, has sent a letter to every Member of Congress calling for more H-1B visas so businesses can bring in Indian, Pakistani and Chinese engineers to take U.S. jobs.

H-1Bers cut industry costs but do nothing to improve innovation. Most innovators are Americans, and the successful immigrant entrepreneurs the industry brags about did not come here as guest-workers on H-1B visas, but entered as children and were educated in U.S. universities.

Current law allows industry to bring in 85,000 H-1B visas a year, but industry lobbyists seek to double or triple the number. They would really like the Cornyn-Shadegg SKIL bill (known to engineers as the KILL bill), which could import 1.5 million underpaid H-1B workers by 2013.

The computer giants have laid down the gauntlet: If Congress doesn't give them more H-1Bs, they will just outsource the jobs. "Outsourcing is the perfect argument for increasing the numbers" of H-1Bs, said a Compete America spokesman.

But if it's really better to outsource, there is no need for H-1Bs. Nobel economist Milton Friedman labeled H-1Bs a government "subsidy" to enable employers to get workers at a lower wage.

America has more than enough U.S. engineers. After the dot com bust in 2000, Silicon Valley lost about 100,000 engineering jobs, and many of those who lost out are unemployed or underemployed or have taken jobs in other industries.

Research by Professor Norman Matloff of the University of California/Davis confirms that there is no shortage of U.S. engineers or computer techies. If there were a shortage, salaries would be going up, but starting salaries for bachelor's degree graduates in computer science and electrical engineering, adjusted for inflation, are flat or falling.

A major study made by the Pratt School of Engineering at Duke University also found that there is no shortage of U.S. engineers. Eighty percent of respondents to a Pratt survey say U.S. engineering jobs are filled within 4 months, and 88 percent didn't offer signing bonuses.

Many companies hire student engineers from India and China with only 2 or 3 years of college and then train them in their own facilities. U.S. students with 2 or 3 years of college get no job offers.

Much of the Compete America discussion involved blaming the U.S. educational system and the fact that fewer U.S. students are going into math and computer sciences. Yes, U.S. students have figured out that our engineers have a bleak future of unemployment and lower remuneration because of insourcing foreigners and outsourcing plants.

The Compete America globalists are not interested in preserving America as the greatest nation and economy in the world, or in protecting American industry or jobs or universities or national security. They rejoice in economic redistribution from rich and prosperous nations to other countries around the world.

Bill Gates spoke for the globalists: "The United States has been spoiled by being a global leader for so long that there may be an adjustment. We've got to get used to the fact that our relative share of everything — our ability to exercise unilateral decisionmaking, military power, and economic power — won't be as out of line with our 5 percent share of world population as it is today."

Anyone who rejoices that the United States is losing its preeminence and distributing our wealth around the rest of the world must have lost all appreciation for the Yankee ingenuity essential to our prosperity. H-1Bs are a form of servitude that offends the free enterprise that made us the economic leader of the world.

DUNCAN HUNTER 2008: PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH

Support the U.S. Military Men and Women

Provide for Border Enforcement

Keep American Industry and Jobs in the U.S.

Preserve Religious Symbols

A website is up where you can get to know the political philosophy and activities of Duncan Hunter, who has announced he will run for President in 2008. Click the link to view some new ads they are running throughout the nation.
http://www.peacethroughstrengthpac.com/Home.aspx

Peace Through Strength stands for: An American Military equipped and sized to defeat any adversary U.S. missile defenses that can intercept and destroy incoming ballistic missiles Enforceable U.S. borders, including a 700-mile double fence across the smugglers routes in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas Reversing the one-way street trade policies that are moving the U.S. industrial bases and jobs to China and giving them U.S. dollars to buy military equipment from Russia Energy Independence for the U.S. that would stop a reliance of overseas petroleum products Cut off the flow of military technology to our potential adversaries

Hunter touts border security during Iowa visit December 18, 2006 1:08 PM ``I believe in a strong national defense, a strong and enforceable border, a two-way street on trade,'' said Hunter, who was making his first visit to Iowa since announcing his presidential bid in October. more

Strike, terror war converge December 15, 2006 5:27 PM The two sides of the Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. strike still disagree on a number of issues, but both appear ready to act patriotically. "The U.S. Army fights on wheels and they need help from both the union and management right now. Earlier today, General Cody, the vice chief of staff for the Army, asked for my help in solving this situation," Hunter said.

A Primer on the 2008 GOP Candidates Duncan Hunter, a congressman from California, is perhaps the most intriguing of the second-tier candidates. Hunter is conservative, charismatic, and tough on illegal immigration. He's also a former Army Ranger, who fought in Vietnam, has a son serving in Iraq, and is the current chairman of the Armed Services Committee......

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Quote of the Day:

Duncan Hunter: ..."Liberals who are often wrong, never unsure. "(laughs)

Honorable mention!

" That alone places Hunter in VERY exalted company.............in the company of loyal, dedicated social conservatives---- conservatives who know how to win elections. "

Hunter sounds excellent. "WE" have a candidate :-)

(Then FR could go back to being a CONSERVATIVE website and ZOT all the pro Rudy threads and his cultist liberal followers. (bada-bing, ((rim-shot)))

29 posted on 12/20/2006 by Condor51

HOLY CRAP!! Peter Boyle, R.I.P.

(Peter Boyle in "Young Frankenstien")

The last time we saw Boyle in a public appearance it was too obvious that he had aged alot or was ill. Today we hear we have lost this fine actor.

Most know him as Frank, the irritable father of "Everybody loves Raymond" who often refrained, "Holy Crap!" .

I watched the show to see Peter Boyle. Mostly because of his amazing ability to swing from drama to comedy.

Don't pass up the chance if you ever get to see the rerun of " Clyde Bruckman's Final Response", an episode of the TV series X-Files. Boyle's portrayal of this heart wrenching character was one of the finest I've ever seen on television.

You made me laugh and cry, Peter Boyle. It doesn't get any better than that.

Gordon Smith: "He who has the gold, makes the rules"

The immortal words of Doc Holliday from the movie Tombstone:

" Why Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked over your grave."

That's the kind of sad, bewildered concern Sen. Gordon Smith (R) Oregon, had on his face when he announced Friday that he thought George Bush's war in Iraq is "absurd" and "may even be criminal."

I suppose we could call it a "delayed revelation".

Smth looked like he was witnessing the ghosts of past Republican parties. Remember them?

Those old republican parties that told Nixon to step down.
The one that regarded our national borders as sacrosanct.
The one that ended slavery.

They sure weren't the Gordon Smith Rino Republican party of today. He might just as well get it over with and jump ship with his Udall cousins to the Democrat isle.

History will tell us what the judgment of this war will be. And Gordon Smith isn't worried about history, he's worried about Gordon Smith.

Where has he been the last 3 years while this war slipped into the disgrace it's become? Did he do anything to help Bush get himself out of this nightmare?

This is an old article, but some things never change. One of those things is that Gordon Smith wants to be president, he is NOT a conservative and is more than willing to embrace a global instead of national interest.


TOWN HALL MEETING WITH U.S. SENATOR GORDON SMITH, R-OR.
Dec. 06, 1999

Senator Smith arrived on time for the town hall meeting he was gracious enough to bestow on our community. Unfortunately, our community did not respond. Including "the press"(translation: one camera)head count was between 22 and 25. I went there to ask a question, if I could get through the "crowd". NO crowd, No problem.

Senator Smith extended his hand and introduced himself, as I did in kind, and walked to the front of the little gathering. He began with the customized speech of the accomplishments of this congress: Balanced Budget, Welfare Reform, Saved the Social Security Trust Fund, Stopped funding for "certain practices" by the UN, but got them their long deserved funding...he failed to mention the recent Presidential Waiver, which effectively flushed that deal.

A man asked a question about Y2K. Sen. Smith was reassuring about the US Governments readiness. He then told us about the special command center set up with Russian and Chinese Government representatives stationed in the center to monitor everything that happens in America so THEY are sure WE won't attack THEM. I wondered if we had been granted, or even asked for the same surveillance privileges. He was concerned about Russia and China not having proper preparations for Y2K and expected problems, but expects just temporary, isolated glitches in this country.

Senator Smith barely mentioned the WTO, except to impress that we need this organization to protect developing countries. We NEED free trade. We Americans are spread all over the world and must have such a group to oversee American interests.

My turn.

"Senator Smith, explain to us where the line of representation is from us, as individuals or small business owners involved with world trade, and the 3 person WTO tribunal court who makes the binding decisions over us. Living in a representative republic, we are used to knowing who will be making law over us."

Very quiet, so very quiet.

Senator Smith repeated WHY the WTO was a good thing and gave a nice dissertation on free trade. I said this seems about managed trade, not free trade and that I STILL do not understand WHO represents me in the WTO.

The Senator is a diplomat, to be sure, and assured me the HE would always be there to represent my best interests and so is our trade rep, Charlene Barchefsky. I asked if it was true the United States has only one vote, like every other nation in the WTO. He said yes.

But, he reminded us to always remember the golden rule..."He who has the gold, makes the rules" and the wealth and power of the United States Government will assure us the BEST representation. NOW, even I understood!

Concern was raised about the Panama Canal. The Senator said we are bound by a treaty to deliver the canal back to Panama and he felt no great worry over the fact that both ends would be controlled by a company from HONG KONG. I know he heard my jaw hit the floor.

A question was asked about a meeting here next week between citizens and the Clinton Administration representatives ove the 40 million-acre road less forest "preserve" the president has enacted by executive order. Mr. Smith informed him that the meeting is only PR and it is already a done deal.

Again I got his attention, "Sen. Smith, I want to compliment you on your efforts a few weeks ago during a hearing by your Environment & Resources Senate Committee with officials from this administration, none of whom would answer the senators questions, such as how many acres they intend to turn into wilderness. It sounds nearer to 67 million acres to me".

He nodded in agreement. He explained that the only challenge the Senate might make is by statute that says only congress can designate wilderness, which is why it's called something else...like "road less", and that would have to be done in the courts down the line IF the administration over steps its bounds.

I laughed and asked, "How do you people deal with anyone in this adminisration knowing everything they say, they are lying about?"

He relaxed and chuckled and concurred that this WAS the case the they just try to pass good legislation and do their jobs.

I continued, "Mr. Smith, explain to me why I should trust Charlene Barchefsky, a Clinton appointee, with no congressional oversight, to represent me in the WTO?"

Senator Smith replied, "Well, the talks in Seattle got stalled so they can't make any more plans for a while!"

With that the meeting ended. Maybe gridlock isn't such a bad thing.

Quotas for Elected Hispanics! Affirmative action for elected officials???WAKE UP!

Outrage of the DAY! Is the US Justice Dept. attempting to kill the 10th amendment?

The Bush administration by way of the Justice department, is threatening suit against a community because they don't "elect enough hispanics". They are being ordered to "change" the way they hold elections so that more "hispanics" are elected.

In a day when the Justice Department could be doing something to protect our borders, instead they are rooting through census records of small communities and hammering them to sidestep their lawful elections to elect more hispanics, whether they can win an election or not, it appears. Is your town next? Will we also be required to elect Muslims in other communities where they have high immigration numbers?

Will you allow the US Justice Department to dicatate how your town holds elections and for whom they vote?

From Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dec. 7, 2006
The Justice Department tells a New York village, change the way you elect officials or you're going to court.

The federal government tonight is telling the city of Port Chester, New York, to change the way it elects its officials. The Justice Department says the city's Hispanic population is underrepresented.

BILL TUCKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lou, the notice from the Justice Department was handed down to city -- village officials here without any prior warning, without any prior discussion.

The letter announced that the federal government was authorizing the filing of a lawsuit against the village of Port Chester. A lawsuit that would be filed as a result of what the Department of Justice called voting patterns polarized by ethnicity, preventing Hispanics from being elected to office. Ironically, the unintended consequence could be to create representation for a large illegal alien population, which some see as the way it should be.

REV. RAFAEL GARCIA, SUMMERFIELD METHODIST CHURCH: They mow the loans of those who live here. They do baby-sitting of those who live here. So you know, they are connected to the life of the village, whether they like it or not.

TUCKER: The Justice Department's case rests on the fact that no Hispanics have ever been elected to office in Port Chester. In honest review of voting records compared to Census Bureau's statistics, the department notes that according to the 2000 Census, Hispanics comprise 46.2 percent of Port Chester's total population, 43 percent of its voting age population, and 21.9 percent of its citizen voting age population.

No effort was made by the department or the Census Bureau to verify a resident's legal status.

Legal or not, there is no denying the implications of the population statistics.

ANTHONY PISCIONERE, SPEC. COUNSEL, PORT CHESTER: There really is, there really is a lot of irony when you think about it. Why would you want to take a group and segment them into a district when in the short period of time they're going to have influence village-wide? It makes no sense to me.

TUCKER: The mayor of Port Chester says he is not ignoring the large Hispanic population, noting proudly that the village holds citizenship classes to help those who want to become citizens. As for what happens next, the village would like some dialogue with the Justice Department, something which to date has not happened -- Lou.


Joining me now from Port Chester is the village's mayor, Gerald Logan. Mr. Mayor, good to have you with us.

Well, you are in a heck of a mess here.

MAYOR GERALD LOGAN, PORT CHESTER, NEW YORK: Thanks for having me here, Lou.

LOGAN: Well, we appreciate it, Lou, and, you know, we're doing everything we can. We're doing our due diligence. We have our attorneys working with the Justice Department. We've had our own experts review all of the data that was received from the federal government.

DOBBS: You are ready for a lawsuit.

LOGAN: Yes, sir.

DOBBS: All right. Has anybody from the Justice Department come over and said, Mr. Mayor, we would like to talk to you about the situation here?

LOGAN: Not yet, but we're hoping. Our attorney spoke with them yesterday and said when are we going to meet.

DOBBS: You mean no one from the Justice Department has had the class, the courtesy, the common sense to just come in there and talk to you all about what might be a resolution here?

LOGAN: Not yet, sir. Not yet.

DOBBS: Unbelievable.

LOGAN: But we're hoping that's going to happen. We feel as though the dynamics have changed here since our data does not agree -- our experts, and we have some great experts reviewing their data.

DOBBS: Port Chester is -- I think I'm correct in saying -- not exactly a giant metropolis that's very difficult to discern here. You're a community of, what, about 30,000 folks?

LOGAN: Roughly speaking, yes. We are about 2.4 square miles, so we're a very small village in area, but we have a lot of people.

DOBBS: How many people in your community, Mr. Mayor, are Hispanic and how many are white and how many are black?

LOGAN: Well, the percentage of Hispanics has grown tremendously. I think the last census added up somewhere in the neighborhood of 46 percent. The number of voting age Hispanics is somewhere in the 20,000 range, but voting age could mean people that are 18 or older. They may not be citizens, they may not be registered to vote, but at 18 or older you are eligible to vote, so that's the statistics they're going by.

DOBBS: So you have never elected a Hispanic in your town even though they're almost half your population, right?

LOGAN: That is correct. Hispanics have run for office. They have not been successful.

DOBBS: All right.

LOGAN: But, obviously, that is going to change in the next several years as their population grows, they become citizens.

DOBBS: What percentage -- Mr. Mayor, what percentage of your town's businesses are owned by Hispanic businessmen and women?

LOGAN: Well, if you go along our main street area, there's a number of restaurants and shops and travel agencies and clothing and bakeries all Hispanic-operated. I have visited many of them, had meetings with them, and they're doing very well down there. They're very happy in their businesses. And so, you know....

DOBBS: So why haven't -- you would think with that, that at least one Hispanic would be voted in.

LOGAN: Well, it just hasn't worked that way, Lou. We have in the past asked many qualified Hispanics to run for office, but either because of their careers or their job commitments, they were not able to do so. There's a lot of fine Hispanics, very well-qualified. Many are attorneys that are well-qualified, so it's a question of time it's going to happen.

DOBBS: And what will happen next, it looks like, legal action, but the fact is, do you have a sense of what percentage of your Hispanic population there is legal?

LOGAN: At this point, Lou, it's hard to determine because they fall under the radar when the last census was done. Obviously, we don't know how many. We know there's probably in excess of 30,000 people here.

DOBBS: Yes. We should point out -- and I neglected to do so at the outset. I mean, the fact is that the census makes no distinction between a citizen and any other person here, whether you are here lawfully or unlawfully.

Mr. Mayor, we know you have got to be frustrated by this. I have to imagine your community is.

LOGAN: Yes.

DOBBS: It seems like you have racial harmony. In fact, it would seem to me that you have racial harmony that many might not expect given the rapid increase in the population of Hispanics over the course of the past 10, 15 years.

LOGAN: Well, that's true, Lou, and, you know, I have been working with Hispanic groups. I have a Congresswoman Nita Lowey coming here the end of January with staff and immigration people to talk to several hundred people that are now qualified to take the application process, and we're working with those people and we're going to get them to become citizens.

So that number is going to grow tremendously, and they want to be registered to vote. They want to be citizens, so it's a question of time. We are working our hearts out to try to work with them in any way we can.

DOBBS: OK. Well, we appreciate it, and we're going to be following up, by the way, to find out why the Justice Department is so interested in this case a priori, rather than trying to deal with it intelligently and trying to understand who the people are that the Census Bureau picked up. This is a great series of disconnects in this country.


Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

"AN ILLEGAL KILLED MY BEST BUD."

Message from "Century21Minuteman" <century21minuteman@sbcglobal.net>

Subject: Son of friend of MMP board of directors MURDERED by illegal alien.

Date sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:13:20 -0800

Dear Americans,

The son of a co-worker of Marvin Stewart, a member of The Minuteman Project board of directors, was laid to rest in Long Beach today. He was murdered three days ago by an illegal alien, who allegedly stabbed him to death with a screw driver.

About 9,000 residents of the USA are killed annually by illegal aliens…roughly 1 per HOUR…25 per DAY…750 per MONTH. Since the Iraq war began almost four years ago, over 30,000 residents of the USA have been killed by illegal aliens in a combination of lethal crimes ranging from outright brutal murder to manslaughter.

That is more than ten times as many US troops killed in Iraq in four years.

The war on terrorism truly should also be waged within the borders of the United States of America.

Cheers,

Jim Gilchrist, Founder -- The Minuteman Project – A multi-ethnic, immigration law enforcement advocacy group.

Tyler's father lost his ONLY son.

His popular, outgoing 20 year old boy. Just weeks ago. To a drunk driving illegal alien in Palmdale, CA.

One of two memorials - at the accident site - dedicated to Tyler - Palmdale, CA http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/

This father is a devoted family man. Robbed of his beloved son. What do you say to a father, to a family living this nightmare? WHAT?

Antelope Valley Minutemen, activists and the community came together to comfort this family.

Tyler was very well liked in the community. Above are four of his friends - the sign at left reads, "AN ILLEGAL KILLED MY BEST BUD."

Palmdale - young people turned out to support Tyler's family

When I spoke with this father - a strong man - he related how he and his wife are in shock. He talked about what a great son Tyler had been. Great friends. Smart. Fun and loving.

He said, "We can't believe he is gone..." then this father stopped speaking and wept.

The larger of two memorials to Tyler - you can stop by the memorial located at the corner of West 10th St. & Avenue O (just east of the Walmart/Sam's Club at 39940 W. 10th) Palmdale CA

The illegal alien attempted to leave the scene of the crime but was apprehended by Tyler's friends and bystanders.

Tyler's family and friends will closely monitor the court proceedings of the illegal alien, currently in custody.

MEMORIAL RALLY

At right, Cuban immigrant, Frank Jorge, founder of the Antelope Valley Minutemen, organized the rally

Campo Minutewoman at left &

SOS/AV Minutewoman - organizer of the Tyler Memorial Rally at right, Chelene

Minuteman Project National Spokesman, Raymond Herrera, second from left, and CCIR founder Barbara Coe to Herrera's left

News You Missed!! Best of the Web- Immigration

HERO Judge Bob Moon

Judge Jails Illegal Alien on Speeding Ticket

Chattanooga, Tn - Judge Moon said Giovanna Montoya would have to serve 10 days at the workhouse at two-for-one on the Class C misdemeanor. The judge said, "It's not about speeding or money. It's about coming to this country illegally - being here when you are not supposed to be."

He added, "I took an oath to uphold the law and I don't think I can just let someone who committed a felony just walk out of my courtroom."

Judge Moon said, "I have a hard time releasing anyone who confesses before me that he has committed a federal offense."

He said afterwards, "When any court becomes apprised that a defendant is residing in this community and this country illegally, it is irresponsible to simply allow that defendant to pass from his or her courtroom back into illegal freedom. I have instructed the Hamilton County district attorney general to immediately notify the United States Immigration and Naturalization law enforcement authorities. I am seeking guidance and a policy statement from the INS on this serious matter. If the INS has no interest in the two to three illegal aliens that pass through my courtroom in a single day, then I will immediately release the defendant on the underlying charge.

"I have no authority to enforce those federal laws. However, I took an oath to uphold the law and not to ignore the law. Hopefully, the INS can give us some much-needed guidance and direction on how to deal with those illegal aliens in our community who routinely come before local judges."

Judge Moon noted that Gov. Phil Bredesen earlier this week stated, "State and local governments must step up and fill the void left by the federal government." Judge Moon said, "I agree. The General Sessions Court of Hamilton County probably has more illegal immigrants pass through its doors daily than Taco Bell. Up until now, we have simply shut our eyes, ignored it and pretended it was someone else's problem." http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_95544.asp
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While I will agree that ALL humans have the same intrinsic worth, cultures do not. Before anyone wants to argue my point, do yourself a favor and look up Websters definition of culture. ANV posted on 2006-12-04

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A minivan with 16 people packed inside was pulled over on Interstate 70 in the Colorado mountains on Friday, the third suspected immigrant-trafficking case on the highway this week.

AND within two years or less some of them WILL BE VOTING...
Republican leaders could care less, BUT democrat leaders DO CARE...
The RNC is standing on a chair with a rope around its neck..
Saying a prayer to the Money God.. 12 posted on 12/01/2006 by hosepipe


A few years ago I was patronizing the La Salsa restaurant in Mira Mesa (northern San Diego). I had been going there for 2 years and knew all the staff. One evening the cashier decided she was going to conduct the business in Spanish. I figured that if we could pick our language, I would pick my favorite. I ordered my food in Welsh. She looked perplexed. I suggested that we should conduct business in a language that we both understand. English would be fine.
11 posted on 12/02/2006 by Myrddin

Which side are you on? Bush's or America's?32 posted on 12/01/2006 by Ol' Dan Tucker

Up is down, down is up, illegal is legal, legal is illegal, and it isn't going to become better for a while yet, so hang on tight, and fasten your seat belt.

39 posted on 12/01/2006 by From One - Many

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"I started out as a right-winger, and when I retire I want to be a squishy middle-of-the-roader," he jokes, chortling at the thought. Grover Norquist
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TONY SNOW: Do you believe the Syrian government could have prevented their coming into Iraq?
TOMMY FRANKS: Oh, gosh. I mean, I could give you some -- I could give you an opinion, but if I did, it would be the opinion of a soldier rather than, you know, a policy opinion. I would say this: I believe that any nation that wants to control its borders can do so

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"Of all forms of tyranny the least attractive and the most vulgar is the tyranny of mere wealth, the tyranny of plutocracy." ~ Theodore Roosevelt
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November 2, 2006
Erasing borders in the classroom

Julie M. Quist

Political battles rage across America over unbridled illegal immigration on the southern border. Some build fences while others march for full rights for illegals. The Columbia University Teachers College, however, leapfrogs over the entire debate.

Columbia's Teachers College Record recently published a Michigan State University Professor�s approving review of The Line Between Us: Teaching About the Border and Mexican Immigration, a book by Bill Bigelow. Bigelow's and the reviewer's premise for school curriculum is this: "The border between the U.S. and Mexico was not a natural occurrence, but instead, was the result of an act of aggression that created a new artificial line in the mid-19th century."

Bigelow doesn't present this as an opinion, mind you, but as fact. Book reviewer Jerry Garcia calls the book, "a timely publication." Indeed. Its curriculum and teaching activities are for high school and middle school teachers. There's no hint of evenhanded discussion of the intense political controversy over illegal immigration. Their view of our southern border as an "artificial barrier" is presented as firmly established fact, like the discovery of DNA.

"Transformational education" is the generally accepted belief in educational circles that schools are to "transform" students, and good education truly does transform. While schools were formerly viewed as an extension of the family, however, today's transformers admit that they mean to undermine belief in the traditional and majority culture's laws, values, traditions, history, and beliefs. In this case, teachers are being equipped in how to teach our kids that our sovereign borders illegitimate.
At what point does the public, no matter where our kids are schooling, charge teacher's colleges with treason?

� Teachers colleges treat the debate over illegal immigration as settled. They've taken the side of the illegals, and the teachers unions reflect that same political agenda in their annual platforms. Within the entrenched education establishment, no political controversy over illegal immigration exists. Of course, this extends to other political controversies, as well: global warming, same sex marriage, redistribution of wealth, the sacredness of the earth, etc all paid for with your tax dollars and mine.

Teachers colleges have been bastions of radicalism for generations. They have finally "progressed" to training our teachers to oppose the very boundaries of our nation and the laws that establish them, to deliberately rewriting the history of the Mexican-American War, to aggressively guiding our children into identifying with the lawbreakers and those who would erase our borders, to charging Border Patrol law enforcement with "de-sensitization," and to engaging our indoctrinated children in social/political activism to support these ideas.

"Follow the money." Any serious political effort to staunch the flow of illegal immigration into our nation that fails to address the tax money spent to teach the young generation to undermine America cannot be successful in the long run. Genuine education accountability begins with the teachers colleges. Why are we funding treason?